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Le due verità

Titolo originale: Forever Mine
  • 1999
  • R
  • 1h 55min
VALUTAZIONE IMDb
5,3/10
2887
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Ray Liotta, Joseph Fiennes, and Gretchen Mol in Le due verità (1999)
CrimeDramaRomanceThriller

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    • Paul Schrader
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    • Joseph Fiennes
    • Ray Liotta
    • Gretchen Mol
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  • VALUTAZIONE IMDb
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      • Gretchen Mol
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    Joseph Fiennes
    Joseph Fiennes
    • Manuel Esquema…
    Ray Liotta
    Ray Liotta
    • Mark Brice
    Gretchen Mol
    Gretchen Mol
    • Ella Brice
    Vincent Laresca
    Vincent Laresca
    • Javier Cesti
    Myk Watford
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    • Rick Martino
    Lindsey Connell
    • Stewardess
    Sean Cw Johnson
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    • Randy
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    Shawn Proctor
    • Cabana Boy
    Russell Blackwell
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    Jocelyn Snowdon
    • Young Associate's Companion
    Kevi Katsuras
    • Julie, Six Year-old Girl
    Shannon Lawson
    • Emily, Julie's Mother
    Ronald Knight
    Ronald Knight
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    Ginger King
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    Ted Simonett
    • Mr. Galen
    Paulette Sinclair
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    Robert Dodds
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    nunculus

    Schrader's most demented ever (and yeah, I remember Rolling Thunder)

    We all know that Paul Schrader is a sober son of the Dutch

    Reformation Church. Still, I'd love to have a taste of the

    crack he was smoking when he wrote this flaming lulu, a

    painfully sincere and heartfelt tribute to undying love that

    suggests Stanley Kubrick singing "Love Theme from Mahogany" a cappella.

    Apparently an attempt to capture the spirit of Scott Spencer's novel "Endless Love" (so famously lost by Franco Zeffirelli), FOREVER MINE posits Joseph Fiennes

    (he of the smoldering, gotta-have-you eyebrows) as a Miami cabana boy who messes with the wrong guy's wife--Gretchen Mol as the secretarial cutie who married

    gnarly Mr. Big (Ray Liotta). Before you can say AGAINST

    ALL ODDS, Mr. Big is coming down hard on Cabana Boy--only, in Schrader's world, this means more mutilations, burials alive, disguises, funny accents, and

    villainous moustache-twirlings than in the entirety of

    Shakespeare's CYMBELINE.

    Schrader claimed he wanted to go back to the nineteenth

    century. And indeed, the over-the-top melodrama suggests

    a desperate attempt to flee fin-de-siecle irony. But it's

    always a train wreck when cerebral directors try to let go of

    their book-learning and Open Themselves to Feeling. FOREVER MINE suggests a cable-movie version of Robert Bresson's two wackadoody salutes to cute young boys, FOUR NIGHTS OF A DREAMER and THE DEVIL PROBABLY; Fiennes greets Mol in a seedy motel room on which he has spray painted the words, "GIVE ALL TO LOVE." (That was the tagline of the movie's abortive theatrical run.) Like Kubrick in EYES WIDE SHUT, Schrader

    tries to peel off his layers of coldness and ratiocination--but

    any movie that opens with a quote from Walter Pater suggests that the filmmaker is more suited to analyzing

    melodrama than expressing it.

    For all the tropical gloss put on it by the great cinematographer John Bailey, FOREVER MINE has a giggle-inducing quality that's unique even to bad Schrader

    movies. (In one scene, Fiennes leaves an ambivalent Mol

    in her hotel room. As he walks away, he bumps his head

    into a palm frond, stops, and seems to look back at the

    palm frond. Fade to black. Does Schrader equate Douglas

    Sirk with Ed Wood?) Now that he's expressed his inner lovesick sap, maybe Schrader can go back to who he really

    is--a cold, alienated, God-haunted, overeducated freak

    from Michigan who's also the greatest living writer of

    movies.
    d_fienberg

    Slow and largely uninvolving Romantic Drama

    There is a mystery at the heart of Forever Mine, the most recent downturn in writer-director Paul Schrader's roller coaster of a career. The mystery involves a man in the first class section of an airplane to New York, circa 1987. The man looks a little bit like Joseph Fiennes, but he is wearing a goofy make-up job to imply scarring and he is speaking with a goofy accent to add intrigue. And thus the mystery can be summed up with a series of questions: Who? Who is this man? What? What is he going to New York to do, dressed as a drug dealer? And Why? Why would anybody cast Joseph Fiennes for a part that required acting? Sure, Fiennes is perfectly skilled at looking soulful, but anything beyond that -- accent, characterization, etc -- is out of his range.

    We cut quickly from the plane to "14 years earlier" where we see Fiennes again, now much younger. We know he's younger because he isn't scarred and he doesn't have a goatee. He also isn't speaking with a thick Cuban accent anymore. He has a strange accent that waffles between British, "American," and "Latino." Fiennes is Alan, a cabana boy at a Miami resort. His friend Javier is trying to convince him that he should enter the drug game to make some real money. But Alan has clearly seen DePalma's Scarface, Blow, and a number of other drug movies and he has more legitimate dreams, starting, apparently, with bedding the wife (Gretchen Mol) of a New York businessman (Ray Liotta). Alan and the wife, Ella, begin perhaps the most public affair in cinema history. They make out down the beach from her husband, they get all kissy at local bars, and then have emotional conversations outside her hotel room. And the husband doesn't find out. But then it's time for the couple leave, but soulful Fiennes cannot let Ella go. We're not really sure why, though. As a character, she's a total cypher. Schrader gives her one or two expositional confessional moments, but that's about it.

    So of course the relationship is at least temporarily doomed. But in Schrader's universe we knew that before Alan and Ella even kissed, because we know that she's Catholic and that guilt and morality will quickly come into play. As with several other Schrader works, religious fervor is the central plot device, which leads to Alan's deformity, Ella's regret, and the film's film act.

    Beyond the Catholicism, though, there's not much at stake in Forever Mine. The two leads have minimal chemistry and the film is plagued by constant continuity errors and cliched plotting. I was troubled by the fact that the 14 years between the flashback and the framing device had done nothing to age any of characters. And I was perplexed by the fact that even though Alan's friend Javier starts out as the the man with the connections, he ends up as a glorified servant. I didn't understand why Schrader couldn't be bothered to develop either Ella's character or that of her husband. And I was just annoyed by Fiennes's inconsistantcy as an actor.

    Schrader seems to be having fun with his own background and the backgrounds of his actors. There appear to be obvious references to Goodfellas and Taxi Driver, while Fiennes's 1987 persona has a strange similarity to Robert DeNiro. And all of the elements seemed to have been in place for a fine film. This was Schrader's follow-up to the minor masterpiece Affliction and Fiennes's follow-up to Shakespeare in Love. It was also Mol's first starring role after Vanity Fair jumped the gun and made her an "It" Girl shortly before the release of several small parts. But really nothing comes together. Schrader plots an affair without any twists or originality beside the Catholic guilt that have always fueled his violent Graham Greene-esque visions. The political context that justifies the period setting is hardly worth the effort. The drug subplot goes nowhere. And when Ella sits reading Madame Bovary to a group of senior citizens, the symbolism is just infantile.

    Forever Mine never was released in theaters because the company producing it went under. It premiered on Starz! and moved to video. It's hard to imagine it having any real box office potential under any circumstances. This film is a 3/10 at best.
    7SILENCEikillyou

    i'm STILL waiting for 'the end'!

    Great movie -albeit, not too original. Good acting -let's say I was pretty well content with the actors and they're portrayals of the characters. An old story with an different twist -or maybe twists that seriously remind of a bunch of different movies. But you figure, 'Hey, it's going to have a unique and blow-your-mind kind of an ending,' right? WRONG! In fact, I'm still waiting for the ending to happen. It's been hours and the DVD is still in the thing, just playin'. I waited through ALL the credits, hoping that some kind of 'sneaky' ending would come, and NADA! It's like they just ran out of film or something. But, hell, I'd forgo any or all of the credits just to see how this frickin' story ends. PLEASE! thank you -7 out of 10- if anybody cares. I doubt my opinion matters, but this COULD have been 10 out of 10 with SOME (just a modicum) of closure. Maybe even 'the end'. At the end.

    the end
    3astacvi-1

    Amazingly inept and unsatisfying

    I won't attempt to summarize the plot, such as it is. Suffice it to say that every single character in this film manages to behave in the least straightforward and believable manner in every situation. The heavy hand of a poor screenwriter is evident throughout, as all the characters seem more manipulated than motivated. The writer/director, Paul Schrader, was an unfamiliar directorial name to me until I watched this mess, and his resume makes it clear why. He's had a few successes as a writer, but pretty much all of them were directed by Martin Scorsese, who is very definitely not on hand to salvage this disaster.

    Fiennes and Mol are game for the most part, and do what they can with the laughable dialogue. Ray Liotta, however, is at his over-the-top worst. He can be effective with the right part and some directorial restraint (see *Blow*, for instance) but neither is present here.

    Avoid this and find something better to do.
    5Scoopy

    Oscar-worthy cinematography lost in the shuffle

    Forever Mine is not a good movie. Many other reviewers on this site have pointed out why.

    But let's give credit where credit is due.

    Cinematographer John Bailey did a magnificent, Oscar-worthy job on this film! It looks great. The first half takes place in Miami in 1973. I lived in Miami in the early 70's, and this film caught the feel of it so beautifully that I could smell the Cafe Cubano, hear the Jai-Alai cheers, and feel the sea breezes. The pastels, the faded glory of the hotels, the neon lights, the whole palette.

    John Bailey can't be blamed for Forever Mine's script, or its legal problems, but the result of those problems must have been depressing for him because nobody ever saw Bailey's work projected on the big screen after the film festivals. That's really a shame. This film was meant to be projected in a 2.35 aspect ratio, and that simply can't be appreciated anywhere except a big screen. Of course, Bailey didn't know it would go straight-to-cable-and-DVD when he filmed it in that super widescreen ratio.

    By the way, this work was no isolated fluke for Mr. Bailey, as you might guess. He has never won an Oscar, or even a nomination, but he's shot some very fine films in his career. He probably should have been nominated for an Oscar for his work on The Big Chill, and he has shot some terrific offbeat stuff, like Cat People and Groundhog Day.

    So, a strong "well done" for Mr Bailey, for work that few people will ever see.

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      Patrick Swayze was at one point attached to the role Joseph Fiennes plays in this movie. But he had seconds thoughts shortly before filming because he didn't think he could ''pull it off.'' Schrader did not insist on him taking the role as he thought that if Swayze didn't think he could pull it off, he ''probably wouldn't be able to.''
    • Blooper
      Alan works at the Don Cesar hotel which is prominently shown in the film and he has a figure of the hotel with its name on it in his room at McCleans in NY. The water by the hotel is called the ocean by many people and Ray Liotta is seen taking a boat to Bimini. This leaves the impression that the hotel is near Miami in Key Biscayne, but in reality it is near Tampa on the Gulf of Mexico (not the Atlantic Ocean) and a day trip to Bimini from there is out of the question.
    • Citazioni

      Manuel Esquema: Everything has a purpose. Everybody has a purpose. It is my purpose to be with Ella. Nothing can change that; not you, not the police, not the courts. It's just a fact. Like... like plants turning to the Sun, or death, or taxes.

      Mark Brice: What is this gibberish? Are you crazy? Nobody talks like this. Make sense!

      Manuel Esquema: People are afraid to say what they feel. Ella is afraid.

      Mark Brice: I'm not afraid to say what I feel. There's two types of people in this world; assholes and pricks. You're an asshole. And I'm a prick. Do the math. Ella's mine.

    • Curiosità sui crediti
      [prologue] "It is the addition of strangeness to beauty that constitutes the romantic character in art". - Walter Pater.
    • Connessioni
      References Taxi Driver (1976)
    • Colonne sonore
      Forever Mine
      Written by Angelo Badalamenti, Julia Taylor-Stanley and James Shearman

      Performed by Shana

      Published by Anlon Music Co.

      Warner Chappell and A&E Copyright

      Arranged by James Shearman and Nick Raine

      Produced by Julia Taylor-Stanley

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    • Data di uscita
      • 4 ottobre 2002 (Spagna)
    • Paesi di origine
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      • Canada
      • Stati Uniti
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      • Inglese
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      • Don Cesar Hotel - 3400 Gulf Boulevard, St. Petersburg, Florida, Stati Uniti(hotel scenes at the beginning)
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      • Forever Mine (UK) Limited
      • J&M Entertainment
      • Moonstar Entertainment
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